Restaurant Trade Area Research

Putting promotion and advertising dollars behind various price points is nothing new in the restaurant category - but - in 2010 - it would seem to be of huge importance based on the current crop of ad positionings positioning prices. For example - check out this list of price points promoted in the past year in the Atlanta ADI at least:

79 cents - Taco Bell (occasionally).

99cents - Wendy’s Value Menu - Capt. D’s sides

1.00 - McDonald’s Dollar Menu; Burger King, Arby’s, Checkers

1.50 (2/3.00) - Checkers, Dairy Queen (occasionally)

1.99 - Snack meals - Mrs. Winners, Church’s, KFC (occasionally), Dunkin Donuts, 

2.00 Denny’s

2.50 Subway Breakfast Combo

Meals For One

2.99 Combo’s - McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Krystal, Boston Market

3.99 Long John Silvers, KFC, (4.00)Firehouse Subs >4Pm (4.00) Steak & Shake, (4.00) Quizno’s, 3.99 Hardee’s, (4.00) Denny’s

5.00 - Subway Footlong, Boston Market 5.oo + sides, (5.01) Arby’s, (4.99) Waffle House, (4.99) CiCi’s Pizza, (5.00) Little Ceasar Pizza, (4.99) Denny’s, 5.00 - Capt. D’s lunch, (4.99) - Zaxby’s,

5.99 Domino’s Pizza, 6.00-Denny’s

8.00 Denny’s

6.99-9.99 - Friday’s, Ruby Tuesday’s, Ryan’s, Golden Corral, (10.00) Pizza Hut, Folks Restaurant, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Applebees,

And now, with smaller portions becoming more accepted at a reduced price (often with more profit however) - the under 10.00 to eat AT a restaurant perception continues to grow.

Just a quick post today to note the continued positioning being taken by various fast food restaurants locally - today - as the title suggests - Checkers had a reader board advertising lower evening combo pricing. Excellent idea and could encourage more combos during this higher customer transaction size period/daypart. This joins the limited 1/2 price - daypart pricing by Sonic and Steak And Shake for mid-day drinks.

Lastly for today - thanks for your support in 2009. Here’s some statistics about this website. In 2008 this website had 5,788 unique visitors - in 2009, 18,805 unique visitors (as many as 2,572 in a month). In 2008 this website had @9,300 page views and in 2009, over 28,000 page views.

Much more will be coming soon too - bookmark and return. Oh, and make sure to see in the sidebar an overview of the important posts of 2009.

First, let it be said that my usage of nearly ALL of the restaurants has already assumed the `new normal’ of the Great Recession. Regardless of what cheerleading the media may be doing about the economy - most folks are now cautious on discretionary spending - of which, restaurant visits - even to a degree Fast Food restaurant visits - has been impacted. 

 In alphabetical order:

Arby’s - I `responded’ to the ads for the `Roast Burger’ earlier in the year and was not impressed. I refused to respond to the Marry a Goat `humor’  ad campaign and somewhat like the recent 5.01 combo or pricing (the one cent being for Quality).  That said, generally, I perceive that Arby’s as expensive without having coupons from the coupon mail drop a few times a year. Additionally, they  `streamlined’ their `fries’ - dropping my favorite the Homestyle. How can they NOT promote the Jamoca Shake?

Atlanta Bread Company (ABC) - Remodeled nicely. Upgraded to real plates and silverware. Messy to clean up. Can be crowded and slow service. Female favorite. Good soups and combo prices. Mellow atmosphere.

Burger Inn - Local  legend - all fresh cooked. Great breakfast customer base. Friendly people; newspapers available often. Excellent onion rings. Beefy hamburgers. Male favorite.

Burger King - I like the current billboard promotion about the Double Cheeseburger for a buck, real value - but - haven’t gotten it.  I have ordered the Mini burgers more than once however and view that as an excellent addition. Amazingly, the Woodstock BK got rid of Real Sweet Tea years ago (my assumption is that is still the case) and thereby nearly ended my usage — I can’t stand the fake sweet tea out of a machine. Operations should be aware that changing ICONic drinks can have a big effect. — Finally, where is the KING?

Capt. D’s - Perhaps my favorite FF in Woodstock. Quality, Quick, and Quantity with good value pricing. Covers all reasonable price points including lunch specials and on-going `specialities’ that have all prices. Excellent choice of sides. Funny ads earlier in the year comparing to Red Lobster pricing. Friendly greeting and thanking when exiting. Good inside music.

Checkers - Still a viable concept (double drive thru) - chicken wings were a good addition earlier in year - somehow it fits. Catchy phrase “you gotta eat” recognizable for smaller chain levels of advertising. Covers all price points well with a good mix of products. The Woodstock store does Sunday Pricing - good idea - hasn’t ever motivated me for their `down sized’ versions. Could probably `play-up’ the FUN theme a little bit more.

Chick-Fil-A - Woodstock’s Chick-Fil-A is amazingly busy. Overwhelmingly busy whenever they do a promotion like 2-1 for a chicken sandwich or free food giveaway. Excellent quick service regardless of how long the lines are - especially at the drive-thru. (However, I’ve detected a time or two a usage of `workers in India’ taking my orders — I’m not kidding - and, in this time of underemployment in America - that is NOT right to save a few cents that way.) Real Milk Shakes were genius. Consistent quality. Friendly employees. Clean. ————— All that said, the Woodstock inside service in the sit-down area can be horrid and when is Chick-Fil-A gonna get some normal fries? Also, one takes a chance when getting the baked potato.

Dairy Queen -  The standard in Ice Cream desserts from the drive-thru. Haven’t used but really like the new pricing structure in ads 2/3 3/4 4/5.00 - interesting approach. Unfortunately, for me, the food hasn’t broke thru.

Dunkin Donuts - Right on the Strip - I’ve never used location. Certainly they can advertise donuts and donut prices more.  (IF I knew a quick Donut sweet was 99 cents for example - it would come to mind for `dessert’ or breakfast purchase more often. Never seen a place less concerned with establishing a price point understanding. Just how much does a dozen donuts cost?)

Firehouse Subs - Expensive but Excellent. Can be slow. Friendly employees. TV’s to watch. Good real sweet tea. Small, can be crowded.

Five Guys Hamburgers - Tangential to Woodstock in Sandy Plains area — good operation - waiting for a Woodstock Location (several good places available perhaps too).

IHOP - Expensive, right? What specials?

KFC - Closed but not forgotten. Also was one, like BK, to drop sweet tea for a time.

Krystal’s - Krystal `fix’ a must a few times a year. (Canton Road.) Ad’s featuring Crispy Onions on burger looks very compelling. Wi-Fi add - good idea.

McDonald’s - Woodstocks unit re-designs and updates the interiour often - which is nice. Clean. Service can range from excellent to very poor (weekends). Can often find an AJC or USA today in newspaper bin. Separate kids area - thumbs up. Fries can vary in quality. Best FF fish sandwich.

New China Buffet - Lunch value leader. Good quality food. Friendly employees. Priced by the pound to go. Widest variety of food.

O’Charlies - Stopped going shortly after changed menu restricting Prime Rib to Sundays only.

Panda Express - Have never used. Pass by back of lot 3 times a week on way to Walmart.

Po Folks - AKA Folks —> Expesive for what you get.

Ruby Tuesday’s — How could they get rid of German Potato Salad? (pet peeve). Good miniburgers and platter pricing. Easy to split orders. Great salad bar still.

Sonic - I really like their ad’s inside the car with the main guy and his friend and the main guy and his wife. Classic. Best onion rings in Woodstock at FF. To me, tasteless burgers. Fun to use. Daypart pricing on drinks in the afternoon. Fun music playing.

Steak And Shake -  Best Milkshake in Woodstock. Can be very expensive without coupons and very reasonable with coupons. Great variety of sides. Great music inside.

Subway - Good with pricing with coupons. Good quality. Can be SLOW service. GOOD real sweet tea. Fresh. Daily specials a good way to address pricing. Excellent variety of sandwiches.

Taco Bell - Good cheap price positioning. Good Chalupa’s. Good real sweet tea. Good service speed. Good quality overall.

Wendy’s - Huge variety in quality - excellent one time - poorish the next. What the heck happened to the fries - almost tasteless compared to yesteryear. I’m told good salads. Expensiveish compared to McD’s. Baked potato good price/quality.

Thanks for reading - feel free to comment.

Here’s some links also:

KFC Closes Its Doors to Fight Hunger - http://www.slashfood.com/2009/09/30/kfc-closes-its-doors-to-fight-hunger/?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl5|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashfood.com%2F2009%2F09%2F30%2Fkfc-closes-its-doors-to-fight-hunger%2F Community involvemet matters - look at the results of the survey on this page too.

A Real Whopper? NASCAR’s Stewart to take live polygraph test in ad  - http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/09/30/a-real-whopper-nascars-stewart-to-take-live-polygraph-test-in//?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl1|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walletpop.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F09%2F30%2Fa-real-whopper-nascars-stewart-to-take-live-polygraph-test-in%2F%2F BK, attention grabber again.

Eat, drink, and spend money: Restaurants ply diners with cheap booze - http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/29/eat-drink-and-spend-money-restaurants-ply-diners-with-cheap-b/#continued?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyfinance.com%2F2009%2F09%2F29%2Feat-drink-and-spend-money-restaurants-ply-diners-with-cheap-b%2F%23continued

Just a short one today. So, I see a TV ad for Checkers advertising their new fried chicken wings and an enticing - get 3 free wings - (giveaway date I believe was last Wednesday) on a selected day. So, being a lover of wings and thinking that this might be a good brand extension for Checkers - I make a mental note to check it out with my daughter.

So, on selected day - we travel into the main Woodstock Ga. fast food strip to Checkers about 4:30 PM — and indeed - see on the reader board for the unit — FREE WINGS today. So, excitedly we get in the `inside line’ - the one where the passenger (me) will be dealing with the food. No one is even at Checkers in either line.

We immediately see on the orderboard that there are varieties of wings - and are again - excited. And, then - we wait. And wait. And wait. Even while no car is in line that we can see (they could have been waitng on a car in the other lane at the window).  Indeed, as we wait, another car has now pulled into the `other’ outside lane. And we hear their orderspeaker go off - followed moments later - by ours saying “you will need to get into the other line”.

So, bummed out - having been there at least 3 minutes - we back up and maneuver (first bait and switch) into the other lane — to be quickly pinned in from behind by another car.  Yikes.  But, about a minute later, we pull up and are greeted with `do you want to try our wings today’ - yes, we call out. We explain that we have two folks in the car and can we get 6 FREE wings.

To that, we are told - “to get FREE wings you have to make a purchase” and also that for 6 wings we would need to purchase TWO items - and that - oh yeah, only 1 of the 5 varieties was available for FREE.

Now, we were really trapped - the car that had pulled ahead was still waiting for food and looking into the rear I could see the other car behind us. BUT, the car behind us, evidently, heard our conversation (about having to make purchases for the free samples) and was beginning to back up and out of the parking lot-  even before we decided what to do.

Now having a choice to leave made our decision easy - so,  we said - with anger — `forget it - that is not free’ - and backed out of the unit ourselves.

I doubt we will return for wings.

(This reminds me of Quizno’s screwed up giveaway only months ago.)

Make sure to keep reading down the page for more posts.

As far as the Woodstock Georgia fast food market is concerned  - restaurants continue to be under competitive pressures with strong discounting and `new and interesting’ promotions to offset the continued shrinking of customer bases. Indeed, just recently, ABC - the Atlanta Bread Company in Woodstock had a Sunday evening `Murder theater’ (with actors of course) near closing time for which tickets at 10.00 per head were sold. These `patrons’ would have an additional chance to purchase food and dessert from the unit too - for enjoyment when watching the play.

And, the discounting continues at all levels from Waffle Houses 4.99 meals, to 4.00 KFC meals, to 99 cent Dunkin Donut specials, to the buck level at Checkers, Wendy’s and — whatever special Arby’s has going at a various promotion period. In the nearby Sandy Plains/Shallowford area the Boston Market was doing bounce back coupons for buy one meal - get one meal —— that’s up to a 6.99 value — (and one our family took advantage of) and up to 50% off. And, within the past month, Arby’s was giving the `RoastBurger’ away with the purchase of a drink (& Quizno’s also gave away it’s small sandwich.)

Couple all this with promotions from the last posting - many of which are still going on in one form or another (including daypart pricing) - and you have a very sensitive price market the likes of which haven’t been seen in a long long time, if ever. Increasingly, `eating out’ is positioned by the media as the one way that Americans are cutting back and saving money. And, again increasingly, the eating out `habit’ is being broken at some level.

Indeed, the extreme multi times a week users (4+ times a week)  - while usually not  a huge element in most fast foods - is largely gone - as these hardest regulars have become part of the once a week users - generally. And, while most of the two times a week or once a week users have hung on in most circumstances - especially in white collar, lunch oriented restaurants - those users are probably most reduced in the evening timeframes.

Probably most affected frequency wise in customer bases are the occasional once a month type users - who have often fallen into the `never use anymore’ or seldom use category - as consumers tighten up into their most favorite choices. NEW customers, once a mainstay at 3-8% of all fast food customers is again - almost nil. (Why waste precious money on places without a proven track record?)

So, with all this - with restaurants of all kinds closing (which does help others who survive in degrees) - with frequency rates dropping - with price pressures at every turn - the question must be asked if this is the bottom to be endured - or - a new normal? (No one wants to think it could be worse - and indeed - as competition closes - the `replacement effect’ of the `new meal occasions’ to be filled in the local market - will modify - to a degree - further downturns.)

Indeed, if the downturn continues for much longer - say - another year (an overly negative view compared to consensus) - we could see some companies go to a more innovative way of pricing their food products. Perhaps combos will once again reflect a real `savings’ as opposed to an easy way to order in a few words. Perhaps we will see the drive thru priced in a different manner - compared to inside customers. Perhaps drinks will become cheaper at the drive-thru (as no re-fills occur).

Indeed, perhaps we will see `customer loyalty’ cards be set at effective levels - buy two combos get one free - for example —- as opposed to cards that required too many uses to motivate a customer base. Or, even `in-store’ contests to motivate the bigger instore spender - or - targeting the very largest purchasers (only) with a `discount’ on that next purchase (setting the level at transactions in the highest 5% total) - showing recognition of these remaining `special’ customers.

Because, as Dylan said, the times,  they are a changin - and, previous practices and marketing approaches - especially if they all sound the same - may have little useful effect. It may take new approaches and new ideas of consumerism to survive to the other side of the downturn - and - it’s not too early to begin to consider such ideas.

Hello, welcome back to the Restaurant Trade Area Research (RTAR) blog - thanks for stopping for a read. And, as you can see by the title of this post — once again in our depressed economy - where the discretionary dollar is scarce - where one restaurant unit after another closes - price points remain criteria number one for most restaurant chains.

Locally in northern Georgia - Mcdonald’s and Steak and Shake have met the Sonic reduced drink prices in the afternoon - Checkers has finally positioned a dollar menu — and as mentioned before Quizno’s `reduced prices’. And, two more restaurants have bitten the dust in the Woodstock Ga. market - Sonny’s BBQ (unbelievably) and the Woodstock Restaurant (daily buffet) - bringing nearly half a dozen closed up restaurants to Woodstock HWY 92 in the last few years.

But, it doesn’t end there - as the casual sit-downs are firing back on the price front with TGIF’s offering a buy one get one — with that being matched by other competitors like O’Charlies. And:

1-Wendy’s —- 3conmics (99cent choices) 2. Free Pancakes at IHOP tomorrow 3. Denny’s recent free grand slam breakfast 4. Steak and Shake’s recent `free combo’s for a year’ giveaway at local Atlanta locations 5. Fazoli’s - BOGO (buy one - get one) 6. Dunkin Donuts 1.99 breakfast combo 7. Starbucks - Breakfast value meal 3.95 — 8. McDonald’s Specials (like 3.33 for a Big Mac Combo) 9. Ruby Tuesday’s combo’s at 5.99 — Likewise Hooters 5.99

Makes one wonder when some chain will be bold enough in the south to make sweet tea a different price 24 hours a day - like 59 cents with any other purchase.

Finally, seems the burger front may be heating up - first Burger King’s mini’s will put pressure on Krystal’s and Roast Burgers at Arby’s - should compel trial. 

Hello, thanks for returning to my Restaurant Trade Area Research (RTAR) website - I’m back and ready to comment on the utterly new marketing situation all businesses are facing during this economic downturn. This blog decided to `wait’ during the last 10 weeks - rather than comment `daily’ on the possibility of financial meltdown and market disruptions. Knowing that you, a franchisee - knew the real business situation better than the commentators on Tv or in-print.

But, seeing now that 10 weeks after the end of the first cash crisis, that we seem to be facing, again, the solvency of the very banking system — it at least seems prudent to update the on-going strategies being employed with marketing and ad dollars - by various fast food, casual, and sit-down restaurants in 2009 – and that strategy - not surprisingly — has one focus — PRICE. (Ad language for `cost’ — the perception of the consumer.)

As you may know, when we left off in Nov. it was about price too - various price points - and now - we have the same only ratcheted up a degree. I can only comment about the local Atlanta media marketing and local store market close to Woodstock, Ga. That said, I’m pretty sure that each is generally reflective of the nation as a whole.

Perhaps most noteworthy and of immediate concern to the competitive marketplace is Quiznos advertising campaign about `reducing prices’ on food. Period. Not, come in for a reduced price combo or similar deal or bounceback coupon value — no - the actual phrase positioning `reducing prices’. Their local couponing has a 2.00 off any regular sub and buy any sub and get a chips and regular drink FREE. Combine the everyday reduced prices with an additional 2.00 coupon — and the price for loyalty and new trial customers - has just been increased.

And, as you know, - for years - Sonic - has offered reduced drink prices during the afternoon. And, as you know, since Chick-Fil-A  (and Hardee’s) started selling quality milkshakes - those that previously sold shakes (especially Dairy Queen and Steak and Shake) - have probably been under some pressure on a signature item. The response - an aggressive coupon campaign by Steak and Shake and not only that, locally, in Woodstock, Ga at least — reduced price shakes from 2-4 in the afternoon. A very good aggressive response and making true dayparting of pricing a strategy that deserves a second look. (Such as reduced coffee pricing after 4 PM.) Not only that, recently, Steak and Shake had a special of those small burgers that are now favorites of Casual Restaurants too - attack on all fronts.

Fortunately, the above examples are the only ones talking about reducing prices (although - O’Charlies has pushed the casual market with the 7.99 price point advertising - instead of the usual 9.99) and, ultimately,  your customer ticket total. But, all the others are doing the same in their own manner. Here’s just a re-cap:

McDonalds - To soften the price INCREASE for the double cheeseburger from the old price of 99cents to 1.19 - the `old’ price of the double cheeseburger Combo for 2.99 is retained. (Only those cheapies will face that 20 cent increase.)

Wendy’s - Pure price positioning - 3conomics — with the focus on 99 cent choices of only Wendy’s quality and variety. (McDonald’s has countered with ads supporting their  3 - 2.99 combos too.)

Arby’s - From 1.99 Chicken Sandwich choices to 3.99 specific combo choices — low price positionings for Arby’s.

Taco Bell — Ads geared to products BELOW 99 cents each.

Checkers - New `99cent’ offerings.

IHOP - All you can eat pancakes.

Zaxby’s - 5.25 (or about) Combo’s.

About the only ones holding to a non price strategy at the moment are the potentially `low  priced’ Krystal (hard to reduce the price on a burger of that size) and `high quality’ brands - such as Chick-Fil-A. And, Burger King - continues to do what the King does best - be edgy.

The RTAR will get back to regular postings, with weekly links, with more opinions, and more updating  of the sidebar (and more) for this webpage - hope you like the changes to come in 2009. I want to suggest looking at the full 2008 postings of merit by  hitting the link in my sidebar review of 2008.

Continue down the page for much more. See you next week.

This weekend I was watching some sports on TV when the `new’ Burger King ad with the King came on the screen. Anything with the KING gets my attention. This one  began with a `consumer’ holding a BK sandwich, who evidently `finds’ money in his pocket (that shouldn’t be there) and he is complaining about this to a policeman. The policeman says `reverse pickpocket’ and asks for a description - which, while being given by the `consumer’ results in the classic `THERE HE IS’ - cops and `robbers’ chase.

Off to the races goes The King crossing over a busy street while evading the law. Only to be SMASHED by a yellow cab. (With an impact that could easily kill a real person and you the observer literally feel it.) Yes, the first viewing had my full attention and brought amusement in addition to the message of BK itself — you can save money by eating with us. Expect to see more of the reverse pickpocket.

The BK ad ran within minutes of another FF comparison ad - this one for Capt D’s (seafood). In this one, in a parking lot aside of a Red Lobster, — customers of the RL are approached and asked how much money their meal cost. I saw two different ads on this and one said 80 dollars and the other 100 dollars - at which moment the Capt D’s renegade interviewer brings the RL party over to a makeshift area with a long folding table where Capt D’s employees crank out one meal after another and tell the RL group they could have had `all this’ and spent 40.00 less. The mantra, again; you can save money eating with us.

Which brings me to the two `fake restaurant’ ads currently in the Atlanta market being run by FF brands. The first is the *obnoxious Pizza Hut ads where it is `their pasta’ which is being served in the restaurant that evening. So, after `candid’ praise for the pasta - the `upscale’ diners `laugh’ about how they were fooled by the quality. Indeed, why would you be a fool and go to a sit down restaurant, pay thru the roof, — when you can get `restaurant quality’ delivered to your door. The mantra, you can save money here, by eating at home.

(* what is actually obnoxious is the version of the ad where the PH girl rips her `apron’ off to reveal her PH identification - she does it in a manner that somehow shouts — ~you idiots-jokes on YOU~).

OR, you can also find the other fake restaurant ad for Hardees and their Big Burger products. The idea; don’t pay 8.00 for a 4.00 burger. The mantra; you can save money by eating with us.

Finally, in Atlanta, Arby’s stores seem onto the price position with the 99 cent ArbyQ plastered (tastefully) over the store outside banners — while the Checkers down the road makes sure its customerbase knows it has 69 cent Sundays and Wednesdays.

Because of the economic uncertainty, the market for the upper middle and lower upper classes for FF restaurants is increasing. Promoting the `savings’ with quality  via trading down is one approach - expect to see this even more.

Today’s Restaurant Links

How KFC Captured The China Market

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2008-09/16/content_7030941.htm  Very interesting history of the marketing.

Blackouts in Power are Packing Restaurants That Are Open

http://www.wcpo.com/content/specials/2008/blackout_2008/story.aspx?content_id=98bd59f7-59dc-46ac-9e38-b3fcfe7b1b01   Being ready in an emergency with power and personnel.

Banning Drive-Thru’s In Madison

http://www.dailycardinal.com/article/20431  The desire by some to control others is unlimited; this is a building issue in FF.

The Proposal For a Fast Food TAX

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/09/05/187813.aspx

Who knows what is coming.

The 174 Dollar FF Meal

http://www2.highlandstoday.com/content/2008/aug/31/pulled-over/

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Just last month in this post http://restauranttradearearesearch.com/2008/08/02/perfect-demographics-perfect-traffic-counts-closed-restaurant/ I talked about the closing of a Backyard Burgers location at the intersection of Sandy Plains Rd and Hwy 92; and now, sadly - more fast food locations have bitten the dust nearby further `up’ (west) on Hwy 92 nearer to Woodstock.

Both went down about the same time last month - a 15 plus years open KFC; and a Zaxby’s which had been open several years. The KFC was in the midst of many fast food competitors - across the street from McDonald’s and Mrs Winners (Fried Chicken) with Capt’.D’s, Dairy Queen, Burger King and Chick Fil-A within eyesight; in addition to other restaurants within a mile such as Arby’s, Subway, Taco Bell, Wendy’s, Checkers and several sit downs such as Ruby Tuesday and O’Charley’s, Po Folks and several long time non brand restaurant choices. Yes, this was and is a developed area.

But, things change, - the Walmart across from KFC moved 2 miles up the road a few years ago replaced by a 4 day a week furniture wholesaler. The drugstore within the KFC retail pad went empty last month — the same retail pad saw a long standing BBQ location Slopes fold  about a year ago.

Our family used the KFC about once a month; usually for dinner - nearly always thru the drive-thru. Usually for the `dinners’ for 2.99-3.99 - buy three of those and you really felt like you got a sackful. Somehow, the drive-thru never backed up.

So, now, the nearest KFC is about 3.7 miles away, (this was about 2.1) and on our way back from Atlanta up Hwy 5. So, instead of using that one twice in last 5 years — I’ll probably bump into the once every six month category - and also eat at  Mrs Winners more often. Reverse attrition to the survivors.

I wonder if the KFC on Canton Rd will `market’ to the closed KFC’s trade area - I wonder if they have done any trade area surveys - to know that info?

The Zaxby’s closing was equally as surprising and it also was a place our family went to about once every 6 week or so. It was located about 3 miles from our home and we used it for evening eat-in meals (you only deal with Zaxby’s drive thru once) - it had good quality. It was NOT located in a highly concentrated fast food strip but did have local competitors. Indeed, a new chain Kayson’s, opened and shortly after the Zaxby’s was history.

The point of this posting is that the competitive environment is tough and getting tougher. Knowing your local trade area via real marketing research is not a luxury anymore. Indeed, if you do your whole market with a MarketView — you may know which `available’ fast food locations fit your market development plan without overlapping your own existing stores penetration. You will be able to do your own `attrition’ estimates based on trade areas.

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Today’s Restaurant Links

Krystal’s Offers Up `Sonic-like’ Positioning

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/09/prweb1289284.htm  Is this `the idea’ that could make Krystal a player?

`Local Restaurant Dishes Out Manners’

http://www.kcsg.com/news/regional/28032164.html  `The Cell-Phone’ reminder. Quick read. Find out who is using `the reminder’.

`California Moves Closer To NYC-Like Menu Law’

http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/state_4250___article.html/mandate_menu.html 

`Fast Food Outlaws’

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/fastfood-outlaws/2008/09/06/1220121599393.html  A less than flattering look at the USA from our friends down-under.

`Changing Lifestyles and Rising Incomes To Affect Restaurant Sales’

http://www.prweb.com/releases/restaurants_pizza/fast_foods_dining/prweb1302024.htm

The above story is about the GLOBAL MARKET and not the changing lifestyles here in America (less eating out, trading down). Nevertheless an in-depth viewpoint to read.

At the corner of Sandy Plains Road and Hwy 92 in North Atlanta you will find a Back Yard Burgers that has gone out of business. Most likely the owners did their due diligence and checked out the basics like traffic counts and the demographic profile of the area. Not only that, I bet what they found sounded perfect for the Back Yard Burgers positioning as an upscale hamburger restaurant. Indeed, the intersection has huge amounts of traffic and the demographics of the area would indicate `families’, plenty of roof tops, and plenty of income.  That said, the fact that a Checkers went out of business at the corner on the opposite side of the street - could have indicated that the location be viewed with caution. (The Checkers challenged an existing McDonald’s. The corner is now home to an Italian sit down restaurant.)

So, what happened? Personally, since I was a VERY light user (3 times in perhaps 3 years) I can’t speak to operations of the unit - but the experiences of my 3 in-store visits went very well. No negatives. So, assuming it wasn’t an operation problem - what gives?

What gives is that you need MORE than perfect demos and traffic counts; you need to understand the real market potential of an intersection. And, the real traffic flows for `your side of the street’.

First off, before you think the intersection was `too busy’ and had huge back-up’s of traffic that no one would want to get `re-involved’ with after visiting the restaurant - forget that. This is a well flowing traffic pattern. That said, most restaurant owners are aware that some intersections are `too busy’ and don’t make a `good spot’ sometimes.

No, it wasn’t that at all. The problem with the traffic counts in this instance was that most of it was `long - flow traffic’ — most of it going miles beyond that intersection as a final destination. Additionally, the location had difficult access due to raised cement in the median - bad access especially can limit great lunch numbers; and females.

Additionally, the trade area likely did not have good daytime worker demographics - as one would assume the `hamburgers’ skews male in positioning - and, likely, not even a strong daytime worker number compared to other intersections with less traffic.

Finally, another word about demographics — a given stores demo’s will almost NEVER fit the demo’s for a 1-3-5 mile area. Most restaurants need to know what subgroups are likely to be important (those with higher indexes) to a normal store like theirs. IF you have a restaurant that features 1/3 lb. burgers — you might want to know the indexing of males within the real trade area. (The real trade area of this store was probably ONLY Sandy Plains Rd. and probably mostly on their side of the traffic flow within 2 miles before Wigley Rd. — NOT a big real trade area.)

But, finally, the real story in this instance - was probably the competitive environment. A Five Guys opened in the direct competitive area, probably cutting off and being `first’ to a large part of Back Yard Burgers lunch traffic and even dinner traffic - and in a more accessible (in and out) location. Splitting the hamburger business with McDonald’s was one thing - 3 way splits - can close a marginal restaurant with poor access to traffic flow.

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Today’s Links

Woman Wants To Limit Fast Food Restaurants

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/26152264.html Now that laws have started by activists to limit fast food locations - expect to see your local do gooder getting more and more exposure for such thinking. This is a story about a neighborhood group that says 6 fast foods on a road are enough - too bad for the Church’s Chicken.

Jake Says `Don’t Use The Drive-Thru’

http://poststar.com/wordpress/?p=5836&cat=47    Seeing the miles at zero while sitting at the drive-thru; will bring out the Greens.

The EAT IN Lunch User

http://www.chainleader.com/article/CA6581159.html?industryid=47557 Quarterly survey by Quick - Track; real research and real numbers.